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taylorslof-
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Post Eye sign
on: December 14, 2011, 15:45

Any eye sign guys or girls on here ?

pigeonraci-
ng
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Post Re: Eye sign
on: December 15, 2011, 19:18

Hey Taylorsloft,

What are your views on eyesign?

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Ruaan
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Post Re: Eye sign
on: December 20, 2011, 01:06

Have u ever noticed how ordinary an eyesign might appear,after a few good results we tend to find things in that same eye that we did not notice before.Eyesign is a strange thing,i would like to believe in it because i love a good eye,im not so sure about it though!

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ng
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Post Re: Eye sign
on: December 20, 2011, 22:19

I agree with you Ruaan, it's almost like when you never see a certain car on the road, but then when your looking for it you see that car everywhere. I'm not real convinced on eyesign as an indicator for success. However I do think it's a great tool for monitoring overall health and condition of a bird.

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Jeff
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Jeff
Post Re: Eye sign
on: December 26, 2011, 09:45

Eyesign, a topic that over the years has lead to many heated conversations, one has to remember, it is a theory, no right, no wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, something many have to remember and respect.
Myself, I believe there could be some merit to it, I would never suggest to anyone to cull one's birds according to it, I've seen that mistake happen to many times, enjoy it as a learning tool, keep an open mind, but at the end of the day, it is your basket that will tell you the quality of your birds.
I've looked into many good pigeon eye's, for me, it's usual not till the pigeon has won a race when I will notice something a Little different in the eye.
But then again, up to it's win, this pigeon was just part of the team, only after a big win does the whole bird stand out more then before.
If you want to enjoy your pigeons to their fullest, don't just learn about Eyesign, learn every theory out there, if anything, at least you'll have a better understanding what others are talking about and you can join in the conversation comfortably.

neels
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neels
Post Re: Eye sign
on: January 9, 2012, 03:05

I think the eye is for finding food and the loft but nothing more . If the eye was anything more only the eye sign racers would have had all the super birds .Nothing beads a great pigeons heard and will to win .

cvs
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Post Re: Eye sign
on: February 2, 2012, 12:18

It has been my experience that we as people do not know what we do not know!

Eye Sign, where to begin. Most people who do not give "eye sign" much merit simply have not taken the time, or simply do not understand what they are seeing, or what they are looking for in their birds eyes.

I can assure you once you understand it, and apply this knowledge your loft and flying career will never again be the same.

For the last 30 years I have been a student of the eye sign theory, and have proven to myself and many others it is way beyond theory.

The proof is in the pudding, and is not something that every one has the capacity to learn. I have tried to teach my best friend for the last 15 years and he just does not get it. He understands the basics, but he cannot apply it.

For the last twenty years I have taken every challenge by all comers and have proven to 100% of them that I can pick their best breeders (of winners) using my eyesign understanding. Without any prior knowledge of them or their birds, of their flying record.

Not all great racers have great breeding potential to pass this racing quality on to their offspring. And by the same token, the best breeder in your loft may only be an average racer.

Once you understand how to utilize the signs in the eye for all to see, you will enjoy much more success on race day. The key to the entire puzzle is learning how to mate the birds.

After 45 years of trial and error messing with the birds there are several thing which are paramomount to fully understanding the big picture when it comes to racing.

1) What is "SPEED" really when it comes to our feathered atheletes?

Is it really that one bird can fly faster than ALL the others, or faster for a given length of time thn all the others?

2) The right "TYPE" as in body structure?
I have seen every "type" win races! Big, small, skinny, heavy, corky, wide tail, narrow tail, long "short arm", short "short arm" wide vents, tight vents, and the list goes on. These are all preferences we place based on our own likes and dislikes. Nothing more than a beauty contest, however, there are tendencies towards breeding a higher percentage of breeders of top racers. This is what I would hope each of you would strive for.

Remember this one thing, "The future success of any racing loft lies with the quality of the hens in the breeding loft." You can NEVER have to many really good hens.

If anyone wishes to explore any of this information, just let me know.

The extreame challenge is to develop a family

ezzy333
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Post Re: Eye sign
on: March 7, 2012, 00:40

I have read a lot about eye sign and have asked questions but I have never gotten an answer to what the connection is between the eye and the ability to race or to breed? And why does it only apply to pigeons and no other animal?

cvs
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Post Re: Eye sign
on: March 25, 2012, 12:52

ezzy333, that is an obvious and fantastic question! Probably the reason you have not received an answer is because there is much that is not known. You can get a variety of answers to similar questions like, 'How do they know how to find their way home?' I would venture to say most if not all the answers to that question would leave you asking more questions and not be satisfied with the first or any of the answers.

I would like to believe there is a connection between the two... that is to say the make up of the eye has a direct correlation on the speed and accuracy of the homing ability.

There are a few "givens", one must subscribe to when going down this path. Namely horses and dogs are not pigeons and though they all race the similarity stops there.

The argument has been used, "what about the eye of a dog or a horse there is no credecnce given to their eyes make up when selecting racing or breeding stock." That is true and comparing dogs and horses to racing pigeons in that vein is like comparing apples and oranges.

Yes they are all three used for racing...but the dogs must have something to chase, and the horse must have a jockey kicking and whipping him to race.

Our pigeons require neither. Horses and dogs run around a "track" they do not "HOME". So if we can agree we really cannot compare the homing abilities of dogs and horses to Racing Homing Pigeons, then we can advance in our understanding of why the eye is an important tool when selecting brreding stock for next years hopefuls.

To further this point and drive it home let me expound.

The next part of the puzzle is the eye itself. If you look at a dog or a horse, 99.9% of them have plain dark eyes. Much like the bull eyes seen on many splashes in our birds. In other words there is not any variation from one eye to the next which is plainly visible.

Our birds like people, have incredibly diverse eyes, from nearly white to dark red, green, yellow, orange, and many variations and combinations of these colors. The color is not important.

Let me repeat that, THE COLOR IS NOT IMPORTANT. What is important is all the things you see in an eye, the variations in color and structure from the pupil out to the health ring.

The more DIFFERENT things which look like mountain peaks and valleys, cracks, crevises, black spots, color variations etc. the better.

It is important to keep in mind there is no 100% sure fire way to success in any venture. Instead we must look for ways to increase our odds on race day. Increase the percentage of offspring capable of racing, and homing in as direct a path as possible in race time.

So what does "eye sign" tell you (me)?

First let me qualify a few things. Any pigeon with the physical make up and adequate muscle which is healthy and well trained can win a race on the right day. We want to find a way to increase our percentages of winning on race day.

Here is a quick "tortiose and hare" story.

I was present at a one loft racing event a number of years ago. The loft location was steller. Up on a knoll with 360 degree views, you could see the birds a long way off.

As all the participants watched with much anticipation for the first glimpse of the winning bird, someone yelled, "here they come, look over there!" Sure enough a flock of about 30 - 40 birds (out of over 300 sent) was seen flying at an incredible speed off to the northeast heading straight south.

The crowd watched in disbelief as the birds never broke toward the loft. They continued on a line a half mile or so east of the loft, straight south until they disappeared on the horizon. Five minutes went by, then ten, then fifteen. Finally a lone bird appeared from the north and homed true to the loft, hit the landing board and clocked. Then someone yelled, "here comes one from the south!" Then another appeared from the south, then another and within 10 minutes after the first bird clocked there were a dozen more in the trap. Then birds seemed to be raining in from every direction.

Now if fifty on lookers had not seen the first group overfly the loft, it would have been assumed the first bird in the trap would have been the fastest one in the race that day...she wasn't. True she was the first one in the clock but not the fastest bird.

BUT also SHE was the one which homed true, straight to the loft.

This is an indication that speed is not everything and the birds are like a bunch of teenagers when in a flock, meaning you cannot be sure what they will do.

So back to what eyesign can offer you. When you understand different characteristics in the eye seem to appear over and over with the first birds back to your loft, with everything else being equal (training health, loft, bloodline) a prudent fancier would investigate these similarities and use them to his advantage.

For most this sounds like work and most people really do not want to learn, it is easier to make excuses and complain.

Here is the hard and fast rule which is seldom if ever talked about. Pigons home in a zig zag pattern. As they get closer to home the zigs and zags happen more frequently causing the effect of a straighter trajectory the closer they get to home. They are "feeling" their way home through maybe the magnetic fields in the atmosphere, we really cannot be 100% sure. So the birds which "straighten out" the quickest are the first ones in the clock. We need to be breeding birds based on the consistancy of this and this alone, NOT PEDIGREES!

Why not pedigrees? As with the eye, the pedigree is only a tool as much as the eye. The man who flew the birds in the pedigree you are looking at is not there to mate your birds for you, train or care for them, or pick the right ones to send on race day!

The pedigrees are simply an indicator of what may be possible if you do your part. Oh and if you are looking at a pedigree which has NO VERIFIABLE RECORD OF WINNING on it, that is what you can expect as well!

I believe the eye can provide the discerning fancier an invaluable tool if he is willing to learn how to use it. I believe it is more valuable than a pedigree, mostly because a pedigree is only as good as the person who wrote it, and in an open loft breeding situation can you really be sure?

I would also like to mention here that most if not all of the TOP feather merchants today, before they were well known, (yes I was around when they started selling birds)were eye guys. That was the one thing they had in common, the one thing that helped seperate them from the pack. The one thing they themselves could point to which gave them the "winning edge" and allowed them to make a big enough name for themselver to be able to sell birds.

Well NONE of them now will publicly admit the eye is of any more value than they need two. Why? Because they sell every healthy bird they can!

No I am not jealous, I am sad, sad for the sport because so many people look for the quick fix to be first on race day. To much of the sport has become about making money (which there is nothing wrong with if you do it with integrity). They are not students of the sport, they cannot develop their own family of birds. Even if they happen upon a hit pair in 2 or 3 years they must buy new birds because they cannot duplicate past the current generation.

The feather merchants are the best and worst things that has happened to this sport, and are in my opinion one of the main reasons for its downfall. The best part because they have imported some incredible birds and families over the years. And the worst because they have also imported pure junk knowing that with that European band they can get top dollar regardless of the true quality.

Yes I am sad as I watch something I love die a grueling death all in the name of making money, not nurturing the next generation of fanciers.

MADNAN
Newbie
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Post Re: Eye sign
on: April 4, 2012, 04:33

Can anyone plz explain what exactly to look for in the eyes?

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