Buying Pigeons? Do Your Homework First
DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK BEFORE SEEKING ANY PURCHASE OF NEW BIRDS! THIS IS A MUST. THE KEY IS YOUR OWN RESEARCH. DO NOT TAKE SOMEONE ELSE’S WORD. IF POSSIBLE, YOU SHOULD RESEARCH THE RACE RESULTS FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS OF YOUNG BIRDS AND OLD BIRDS FOR THE CLUB, COMBINE AND THE RACE COURSES WHERE YOU WILL COMPETE.
YOUR RACING SECRETARY SHOULD BE A BIG HELP TO YOU, AS WELL AS THOSE CLUB AND COMBINE FLYERS WHO KEEP ACCURATE RECORDS. ALSO, MANY CLUBS AND COMBINES PRINT YEARBOOKS WITH ALL OF THE RACE RESULTS THAT YOU WILL NEED.
THE LAST 30 YBS. RACES AND 30 OBS. RACES WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH THE INFORMATION ON THE TYPE OF BIRDS YOU NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE, OR TO IMPROVE YOUR RACE RESULTS IN YOUR AREA.
LOOK AT THE WINNING SPEEDS OF EACH RACE SERIES FOR YBS. AND OBS. FROM THIS INFORMATION, YOU SHOULD SEE A DEFINITE PATTERN IN THE SPEEDS OF THE WINNING BIRDS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU FOUND THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE SPEEDS OF THE 30 YOUNG BIRD RACES IN THE LAST 3 YEARS RANGE FROM 1500 – 1900 SPEED, THEN THIS PATTERN INDICATES THAT THE COURSE YOU FLY IS FAST, AND YOU NEED SPEED BIRDS TO HANDLE THIS STYLE OF RACING YBS. THE YOUNG BIRD RACES WILL RANGE FROM 100-350 MILES AS A RULE. YOU SHOULD CONSIDER ALL DISTANCES THAT YOUR CLUB FLIES TO DETERMINE A PATTERN.
HOWEVER, IF YOU SEE A PATTERN OF SPEEDS IN THE 1100 – 1300 RANGE, THEN YOU SHOULD SEEK A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BIRD TO HANDLE THE TOUGHER COURSE IN YOUR AREA. THE SPEED BIRDS WILL NOT HANDLE THE TOUGHER WEATHER OR LAND CONDITIONS FOR THIS TYPE OF COURSE.
YOU SHOULD CONDUCT THE SAME RESEARCH FOR OLD BIRDS RACES. TAKE THE LAST 30 RACES, OR AS MANY AS YOU CAN FIND FROM DISTANCES OF 100-500 MILES OVER THE SAME COURSE.
REMEMBER, THE COURSE OR DIRECTION YOU RACE MUST BE THE SAME TO GET A TRUE EVALUATION. YOU SHOULD GROUP ALL RACES FROM WEST TO EAST, OR NORTH TO SOUTH TOGETHER. SOME CLUBS FLY VARIOUS COURSES IN A SERIES. YOU MUST GROUP ALL RACES IN SAME DIRECTION TOGETHER.
THEREFORE, STEP #1 IS TO DETERMINE FOR YOURSELF THE TYPE OF BIRDS NECESSARY TO BE COMPETITIVE IN AT LEAST 75% OF THE RACES IN YOUR AREA FOR YBS. AND OBS., FOR THE DIRECTIONS YOU WILL FLY.
NOW THAT YOU KNOW THE TYPE OF BIRD NEEDED TO BE COMPETITIVE IN ABOUT 75% OF ALL THE RACES IN YOUR AREA, YOU NEED TO SELECT SOME POSSIBLE SOURCES WHERE YOU CAN ACQUIRE THESE BIRDS.
DO NOT WORRY ABOUT STRAINS, FAMOUS NAMES, OR A CERTAIN FAMILY OF BIRDS AT THIS TIME. YOU ARE SEEKING BIRDS THAT WILL HANDLE YOUR STYLE AND RACING CONDITIONS.
FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT, YOU ARE GOING TO SEEK OUT A “PERFORMANCE LOFT”. THIS TYPE OF LOFT WILL SHOW YOU RACE RESULTS. STAY AWAY FROM THE SO CALLED “PEDIGREE LOFT”. IT HAS NO RACE RESULTS TO SHOW YOU, JUST FANCY PAPER, LOTS OF PROMISES AND BIG DISAPPOINTMENTS.
PERFORMANCE LOFTS ALSO PROVIDE PEDIGREES, FILLED WITH RACE PERFORMANCES, NOT CHILDREN, GRAND CHILDREN, OR GREAT GRAND CHILDREN OF SOME FAMOUS BIRD FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY. THOSE OFFSPRING CANNOT PROVE THEIR WORTH TO YOU BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO RACE RESULTS. USUALLY, THEY ARE BRED FOR STOCK FOR SEVERAL GENERATIONS AND HAVE NEVER BEEN OUT OF THE LOFT.
THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS ARE NECESSARY TO CONSIDER WHEN CHOOSING A PERFORMANCE LOFT:
1. AN HONEST FANCIER WITH AN EXCELLENT REPUTATION IN THE SPORT AND GOOD RACE RESULTS FOR AT LEAST 7-10 YEARS; THESE RACE RESULTS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS SHOULD BE CURRENT, NOT 5, 10 OR 20 YEARS OLD.
2. A FANCIER THAT HAS A REPUTATION FOR SELLING GOOD BIRDS, THAT IS, THE BLOODLINES THAT ARE WINNING FOR HIM BOTH TODAY AND IN YEARS PAST; SOMEONE THAT WILL BE HELPFUL TO YOU WITH HIS TRAINING STYLE, FEEDING AND MEDICATION PROGRAMS FOR THE BIRDS YOU WILL BUY
3. A FANCIER THAT HAS A FAMILY OF BIRDS THAT HE HAS BRED FOR YEARS; GENERATION AFTER GENERATION OF WINNERS IS THE KEY. THESE BIRDS WILL HAVE PRODUCED WELL FOR HIM AND OTHERS. HE MUST BE WILLING TO SELL YOU THE SAME FAMILY AND BLOODLINES, WITH HIS SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO MATE THEM.
ALL THREE OF THE ABOVE REQUIREMENTS MUST BE MET TO ENSURE THAT YOU ARE GETTING THE NECESSARY QUALITY BIRDS.
HOWEVER, HERE ARE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU WILL ENCOUNTER.
WE ALL KNOW FANCIERS WHO ARE WELL RESPECTED, HONEST AND HAVE EXCELLENT REPUTATIONS FOR MANY YEARS OF OUTSTANDING RACE RESULTS. HOWEVER, THEY WILL NOT SELL BIRDS, DONATE TO AUCTIONS, OR SHARE THEIR METHODS. THIS IS THEIR POLICY, AND THEY ARE FREE TO PRACTICE IT. THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE SPENT YEARS DEVELOPING THEIR BIRDS AND METHODS AT GREAT TIME AND EXPENSE. THEY DO NOT WANT TO COMPETE AGAINST THEIR OWN BIRDS OR BLOODLINES. THEREFORE, THIS PERFORMANCE LOFT WILL BE OF LITTLE OR NO USE TO YOU IN OBTAINING THE QUALITY STOCK OR INFORMATION YOU NEED.
YOU CAN FIND PLENTY OF FANCIERS WILLING TO SELL BIRDS. THE NATIONAL MAGAZINES ARE FULL OF FANCIERS WHO ADVERTISE. REMEMBER YOU NEED A FANCIER WHO IS WILLING TO SELL THE SAME BLOODLINES THAT WON FOR HIM OVER LAST THE SEVERAL YEARS. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU FIND MANY FANCIERS WHO SELL OFFSPRING OF THE NEW BIRDS THEY HAVE RECENTLY ACQUIRED. THE NEW BIRDS ARE NOT PROVEN, AND THE FANCIERS TRY TO RECOVER SOME OF THEIR MONEY AND INVESTMENT, OR POSSIBLY SELL OFF THE ENTIRE NEW STOCK.
MANY FANCIERS BRING IN NEW BIRDS EVERY YEAR AND MANY ADVERTISE AND SELL THESE BIRDS AS QUALITY BIRDS THAT HAVE WON FOR THEM, WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. ALSO, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR HELP ON HOW TO HANDLE THESE BIRDS CORRECTLY. IF THE SELLER DID NOT HAVE SUCCESS WITH THEM, HOW CAN HE ADVISE YOU?
Buying Pigeons? Do Your Homework First Part 1 By Peter Wellington & Bob Prisco, Mulligan’s Place Loft, S.I., NY
The Leading Online Pigeon Racing and Racing Pigeon Magazine – The Pigeon Insider
27 thoughts on “Buying Pigeons? Do Your Homework First (Part 1)”
Good advice,BUT dont buy to many,only one or two proven birds. Test them first with your best stock to see if they comply with your birds and if they improve your loft,then only then you may obtain more birds from that same loft from which you obtained them. If they do not fit in and your birds excel them,then at least you know you have not waste too much of your money. Only buy a bird if you have a purpose for that bird and you think it might improve your loft.
good bird doesn’t come cheap.
if you add the cost of the few cheaper birds you buy over the off season it may be true that instead of say buying 10 pigeons for 200 each you may be able to buy less birds that are yes more expensive but are also of better quality…
Hi David you don’t have to spend big money for good birds you can buy late breds or eggs
or a few youngsters paying more money does not mean better birds.I know lots of fanciers
who have paid big money for birds and end up with nothing also you need to find an
honest fancier to buy your birds.Good luck Brad.
I have one question . that is ,what about the small lofts ,that does not have a Particular bloodline , but wins races ?? when i say small I mean 40 or under birds..
im just startin and enjoyin every minite of it. im still out for more info on the lot of it if anyone is up for helpin me? and top info at the top thanks
Hi Karl, this topic is one of make your own fathe most important issues in pigeon racing,getting good stock.
All advise given above is ,but I would go one step further.Do your research like mentioned and find the best fancier in your area,and offer to buy his no 1 stock pair provided of course you have the money to back you up,he will hum and hah and maybe even consider this offer,if he says no ,then ask him to sell you his top racers off this pair,see also how many of this no 1 pairs progeny are in stock first.I have seen top pairs that breed winner after winner ,their progeny are not good reproducers,but 9 times out of 10 they are.No good just going to your local champion and asking him to sell you birds,you will NEVER get off his best no matter what.Insist on the above otherwise leave it. I you are fortunate enough to pull this off ,make sure he gives you his basic race program .Go then to the next best fancier in the area and do the same with him and then take those birds and mate them with each other,try and select a hen and cock from each fancier.So now you have two pairs of the best in your area,take a friend along that knows birds for moral support and maybe he can give advise on the mating of these 4 birds you have just bought.Stick with these 2 pairs breed off them and try their progeny and this is how you can then mily.
yap its hard to find a honest man to sell bird.. sometimes they make it business.. Good advice!!!
i dont do racing pigeons, but i love pigeons all kinds. I do have birmingham rollers,and just gotten back into that. I find a lot of good material on your site that helps me. i look forward every night when i’m on line for something new. I’d like to see a web site that has Q&A about diffrent problems with rps & and brs,& archives to state other folk input, that would be on file and could be brought up to help answer our questions .New bees like me sometime find hands/on experience mostly trial & error sometimes a bad trip! lol ! anyway thanks for your time that is appreciated by me and others. THANKS
Interesting thoughts on using the average speed of the birds over a given course to help select a type of bird.There are exceptions to the rule,as there are birds that can win a fast race and also a hard slow race.Also there seems to be a modern trend to using fast birds on the longer distance races to good effect.I think if your birds have a good constitution,well looked after,feed right,good homing and racing ability(eg.good genes)and prepared for the race ahead correctly you will have as much chance of winning as anyone else.
Yup!yup, & yup! Always go for “truth”, I don’t mean to go “deep”! But, names-strains, etc.aren’t everything! Just go for an honest fancier, clean loft,birds. “THAT” goes for racing-flying-showing, or just having fun. You can’t buy success!, maybe a head start, you have to work at it. Just start with the best for you, and stay with it. You don’t have to win to be one of the best.
The article is good but I am looking at some old strains that don’t seem to be being raced in my area or others for that matter. Is this because of big money short races with sales graphics that look better than the bird? Is it because the old strains are mostly used for long races and mostly after the birds have matured?
“They” say to keep what you love. Is this enough? Hopefully I will get some input on this. Thanks for the great site.
I followed my heart and have NO REGRETS. I am now the proud owner of 4 incredible Gurnays and 4 equally great Oshaben Trentons. I’ll see you all at the races in 3 years.
thanks sir chris, this post is verry in formative and thanks for sharing this i like it.. so good luck to all buyers happy racing to all fanciers.